Why is everyone I know so against this?

"Kailand09" (kailand09) 11/10/2014 at 20:01 • Filed to: None

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Ugh.

jkm7680 > Kailand09 11/10/2014 at 20:02

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MAKE THEM LIKE THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!

norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback > Kailand09 11/10/2014 at 20:03

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One of my better friends won't buy a car because it has a manual. "Because he doesn't want to learn." I told him it's easy but what ever...

Steve in Manhattan > Kailand09 11/10/2014 at 20:04

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Looks fine to me.

Racescort666 > Kailand09 11/10/2014 at 20:05

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I found a report online that was discussing optimization of shifting feel for manual transmissions by computer simulation. It was awesome. When I get some time, I'm going to pull it back up and write an article about how auto manufacturers are the benevolent care takers of the much loved but rarely embraced Manuel.

Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis > Kailand09 11/10/2014 at 20:06

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Because it takes time and effort to learn how to properly learn how to do it, with continuing effort after the fact. To many it seems unnecessary when an automatic version is available.

For the mass market it would be like me saying "Why is everyone so against non-sliced loafs of bread."

titsinmymitts > Kailand09 11/10/2014 at 20:08

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DCT master race.

Kailand09 > norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback 11/10/2014 at 20:09

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I told them that too. My dad just says, " I thought it would be great too, but then hated it".

I'm like dad... you haven't had an interesting car in years, maybe you're just not as into them as I am?

Kailand09 > titsinmymitts 11/10/2014 at 20:09

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They are OK. But the FoST doesn't come with one.

nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul > Kailand09 11/10/2014 at 20:09

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I like these things:

Kailand09 > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis 11/10/2014 at 20:10

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Lol. That is a great comparison.

My fiance is also really weary about it. I mean, it really isn't that bad I don't think.

Kailand09 > nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul 11/10/2014 at 20:10

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What car is that?

titsinmymitts > Kailand09 11/10/2014 at 20:11

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I know. I have a focus st.

Would prefer a solid dct. Pedal placement is horrendous.

norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback > Kailand09 11/10/2014 at 20:11

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My dad and my grandfather both like cars with manuals. I wish some one would just buy a damn manual car. The only manuals in the family are the 2 Harley Davidsons.

whoarder is tellurium > Kailand09 11/10/2014 at 20:11

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Its the hero the American automotive society deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hunt for Manuel. Because Manuel can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian. A watchful protector. Un oscuro GMC Caballero...

DoYouEvenShift > Kailand09 11/10/2014 at 20:12

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Because they cant be bothered with the task at hand. How are they supposed to text and gulp down 64oz sodas?

BrownMiataDieselWagon > Kailand09 11/10/2014 at 20:14

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Because this is a better shift pattern

Opposite Locksmith > Kailand09 11/10/2014 at 20:17

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handbrake is too far away

Life and Times of Magoo: The People's Champ > Kailand09 11/10/2014 at 20:19

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Good friends are hard to find

Bob Loblaw Made Me Make a Phoney Phone Call to Edward Rooney > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis 11/10/2014 at 20:20

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Man you don't even know the emotional connection I get when I slice through that bread with a properly sharp blade!

Agrajag > Bob Loblaw Made Me Make a Phoney Phone Call to Edward Rooney 11/10/2014 at 20:27

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hnnnnggg

Bob Loblaw Made Me Make a Phoney Phone Call to Edward Rooney > Agrajag 11/10/2014 at 20:28

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Literally cackling aloud right now

nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul > Kailand09 11/10/2014 at 20:41

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Hoonday Genesis Coupe

Kailand09 > nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul 11/10/2014 at 21:29

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Very nice. I like those. Not a big Korean car fan, but I do like the GC. Great, great value for that car.

Kailand09 > titsinmymitts 11/10/2014 at 21:30

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you don't like the manual in the FoST? Anything else you're not happy with? (genuinely interested)

nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul > Kailand09 11/10/2014 at 21:31

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Was heavily considering one while I thought my car was dying. The only issue is that auto trans is an 8 speed... Even with the paddles that's a lot of shifting. They're short gears too so you're at 5k rpms before you even realize it.

titsinmymitts > Kailand09 11/10/2014 at 21:37

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The shifter itself I like and is fine. But the accelerator pedal is far too recessed. I had to use a pedal mount to fix it but still can't really heel/toe the car.

I am prepping to file a lemon law suit on the vehicle regarding ongoing steering issues, so while the car is enjoyable to drive I do regret my purchase. I should have bought an Ms3 instead.

Kailand09 > titsinmymitts 11/10/2014 at 22:01

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Hm bummer. That's disappointing to hear. Hmmmmmm maybe I shouldn't get one... IDK. Don't like MS3 due to mileage.

titsinmymitts > Kailand09 11/10/2014 at 22:13

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I can't say I would recommend it, tbh.

Some guys have had zero issues, but many others have seen some serious problems. Couple blown turbos, significant steering problems, clutches going at 5,000 miles with skilled drivers, etc.

Also, FYI they are discontinuing that 2.0 liter EcoBoost motor after a short run.

I have only test driven an MS3, but I bet if you stay out of boost you can get some decent mileage out of it. The Focus mileage drops like a rock if you really get on the boost every chance you get. Though, I'm able to average roughly 25-26 mpg with mostly highway and some city driving.

Kailand09 > titsinmymitts 11/10/2014 at 22:15

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hm, maybe the gti is the way to go. Your post confused me lol. But it's insightful. Hmmmm

titsinmymitts > Kailand09 11/10/2014 at 22:17

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I'd also check out a 2012-2014 WRX as well. While those cars can have some issues, it's definitely an option I looked at before getting the Focus.

WRXs hold their value extremely well. The Focus ST is dropping like a rock.

Also, most Ford dealers are generally clueless about the Focus ST. As an example, focusst.org is full of complaints from owners who went in for an oil change and were not given the proper weight and amount of oil for their Focus ST. Ford's system did not update with the required oil for the Focus ST vs the other Foci, so you have to always watch out for that.

titsinmymitts > Kailand09 11/10/2014 at 22:19

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I mean, the GTI is no model of reliability either. But, at least VW dealers know what the car is. Ford dealers have no clue about the ST.

YMMV, of course. I don't think a GTI is worth the price premium over a WORKING ST, tbh. At that price point, I'd be looking at a new WRX.

tromoly > Kailand09 11/10/2014 at 23:08

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Because not everyone wants to deal with slipping the clutch at every stop sign/light, and if they drive in heavy traffic, have to ride the clutch repeatedly?

To each their own, autos are better in some types of vehicles. Everyone has their preferred driving style and vehicle, let it be.

Kailand09 > titsinmymitts 11/11/2014 at 06:10

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I do like the WRX but I also hear those aren't the most reliable either...

Captain of the Enterprise > titsinmymitts 11/11/2014 at 13:08

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paging lehto

titsinmymitts > Captain of the Enterprise 11/11/2014 at 15:50

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:). We've already corresponded.